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Strategy and Discussion: Thorim (normal mode)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:47 am 
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Strategy and Discussion: Thorim (normal mode)
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Strategy and Discussion: Thorim (normal mode)
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This mob is MCable to grant a raid-wide haste buff that not only increases party haste by 20 percent but also gives an achievement. Just a thought, if we wanted Zy to go holy, i could MC one of these guys for when Thorim enters the arena.

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=32877#comments

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Eroth basically got one-shotted by a 25k chain lightning last night. that says to me that there was too much grouping up.

Please remember not to group up for this fight, as chain lightning increases damage based on number of targets it hits.

Melee might also want to adopt a modified Kel'thuzad positioning for this fight, given that there are 6 of you up on his ass at any given time.

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Strategy and Discussion: Thorim (normal mode)
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We're position-limited on this encounter due to his chains, and strafing around a target that the tank is moving as well. I doubt you could hold a min-distance formation at the back of a moving target, out of a random direction conic aoe, with just 3 players, much less 6.

If you want melee to not group up this fight, then they'll pretty much have to not be melee.


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zyzy wrote:
If you want melee to not group up this fight, then they'll pretty much have to not be melee.


Sorry, i wasn't clear:

On the chain lightning that killed Eroth, it jumped from ranged people back into melee. I was, in fact, one of the clustered up ranged people who chained it to melee.

Was 2 separate points:

1) is a KT-style mickey-mouse formation possible (zy seems to think no)?
2) everyone needs to spread out as much as possible (this applies mostly to ranged folks) in order to not chain the lightning.

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Ah, ranged moving away from melee is possible for sure.

Differences with positioning options for melee are:
KT is nearly stationary and faces the same direction the entire fight, with occasional void zones;
Thorim ballroom dances around the room, constantly moving position and facing, and has a sector aoe.


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One suggestion from the R&D forums about positioning for the arena group:


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The MT should stand directly below Thorim. No one in the raid should stand closer to Thorim then the MT. All the mobs will run to the MT and they can be AoE'd to death. It's best to have your ranged spread out in a semi-circle so that multiple people don't get hammer pwned.

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Aurorallew wrote:
All the mobs will run to the MT and they can be AoE'd to death.


Except when they're running to the healer, as is usually the case. So where's the healer supposed to stand?


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Tamraine wrote:
Aurorallew wrote:
All the mobs will run to the MT and they can be AoE'd to death.


Except when they're running to the healer, as is usually the case. So where's the healer supposed to stand?


SUPPOSEDLY

if the healers stand in or near the circle and the ranged stay away from the tank, initial aggro will always be on whoever is closest to Thorim.

I have my doubts also...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 6694&sid=1

is the thread. shrugs.

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Is BS imo, like most of the answers in that thread. But might as well try it out.


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The correct answer is just to send 7 people into the tunnel and engage hard mode in 50 seconds.

Or I may add another DPS to the arena, making a 6/4 split, since the arena team got there early once anyway. (That said I'd like to see what hard mode Thorim is like)


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On the second pull, when we killed him, I actually slowed the pace down in the tunnel so that we wouldn't hit hard mode. With 5, we generally have a good shot at getting to hard mode every time.

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Even when we picked Sif up by mistake, we slowed down. Could definitely add another to the Arena group if desired. However, Herb's problems with living weren't due to lack of dps in the Arena.


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